what they're called: signatures.
This looks like something papa_monzano
should link to from his ComicSans blog
And I'd also recommend posting a link to this from the STAPLE! forum
. Hrm. I'll talk to Uncle Staple to see if he thinks Staple! should host how-to information. I think it'd be cool to have a Wiki site dedicated to info about the independent press, though.
yea. I only just had time to put it up before I had to run out to the gym (and now I'm heading out to the postoffice and the comic shop. When I have a moment I'll disseminate the info to various places. All of those sound good. There are several LJ communities I should probably link on. The Independent Propaganda blog too, of which I'm a sad, sad, non-posting member.
I actually tried looking up the "kettle stitch" up on Wiki, but didn't find anything.
and i thought folding and stapling took a lot outta me! O_@
Yea, though I've done it, it's not a super conductive process to last minute mini making. A few at a time is usually the way to go. Make them as you need them, etc. Sometimes I need a bunch though. hah.
Nice tutorial, man! I was actually gonna ask you how you did those at MoCCA. I like the stitching better than my old contact cement method and I can't wait to see the end results in NY! If I really start making minis again I'm going to have to invest in a cutter like that. I was close before, but I'd have to sell a lot of minis to make up for that $1200 investment. ;)
My biggest and most stress inducing ebay purchase ever. I wanna say mine was $450-500 brand new. Maybe $600, but not higher than that. I need to take the blade out and get it sharpened. Too many books have gone through it since I got it. (which is good, at least it's not gathering dust.)
I've got some old bookbinding books show a kind of clamp rig with some sort of scraping plow that looks straight out of woodshop. I do want to build me some kind of book press though. That would be cool.
... wow you rule. now i have all sort of technical questions and shit. ummm let me go read the other scanning thing first.
Yea, lemme know. I'll try to answer. Sometimes I don't know if I'm making any sense. You can send me a huge honking email of want-to-know's if you want.
Wow. I just followed Jamie's link here. This is extremely helpful, and your final product looks amazing! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks a bunch for checking it out!
Toby, this was awesome! You should make THIS into a min ^_^ James Sturm should hire you to teach bookmaking at CCS. Thanks for the incredibly detailed answer to my question.
Thanks for asking :) A big anthology of know-how stuff would be fun. It's no repro-guide
, but I think it came out okay. Maybe needs a few more diagrams. There's some inbetween stuff that probably got left out. I still make a mess everytime. hah.
holy labour intensive, batman! That's amazing!
Batman would probably make poor ol' Alfred do all the work. Or Robin. hah.
You know we could probably use this method for binding YCRTFT when it's done, in the likely event that we can't find a publisher. I agree with Gary that we should have this kinda stuff on the STAPLE! site. Not only that, but maybe have a self-pub workshop type thing at the show next year - interested in being involved in something like that?
I could probably put something together if someone more cool couldn't be found. I think we could have a big fake cardboard computer and copier (with someone hiding inside to feed out the paper) and put on a comic-making pageant skit. hah. And/or make a book from start to finish in a one-hour panel.
You're on www.boingboing.net :)
Hi. Found you via Boing Boing. These are beautifully done. The folks over at handmadebooks
would love this.
oops. missed your comment on the bottom there.
Nice perfect bind tutorial. I love binding my own books.
2005-06-06 08:53 pm (UTC)
say it ain't sobo
Sobo's not really the best bookbinding glue--it yellows some and though it's more flexible than Elmer's, it still gets stiff instead of remaining flexible, and your books come apart. It's also not likely to be pH neutral. Try another polyvinyl acetate (PVA) glue--'Yes' glue is frequently used for bookbinding--or wheat paste.
2005-06-07 03:19 am (UTC)
Re: say it ain't sobo
I've recently heard some misgivings along those lines about SoBo as well. I checked my older copies and stuff from college and they seem to be holding up fine. The old, old books are a bit crunchy.
I can't say that I've experimented with a lot or done all the research, but I'll be looking out for some others to try.
The Sobo ran out early in this run and I finished up with some Elmer's Craft Bond. Hopefully that is ok. :)
I used to man the counter at a comic shop, many years ago. Chatting with one of the accounts one day, he told me he bound his comics into books. I was a little baffled and asked him what he meant. And this (what you've descibed) was basically it, though he apparently had some skill with making hardcovers and so went a couple steps further.
He'd collected a comic until a story arch had come to a conclusion, and then he'd bind it for storage.
"I like putting them on my bookshelf" he said, when asked why.
He instantly became my hero. And now that you've explained the process (something I never got from him) YOU'RE my new hero. I've got to try this.
Libraries bind up their old magazines in a very similar fashion. (Good for storage, kinda rough when you need to copy an article). Most of the bookbinding info I find now days seems to come from library binding/repair information from books and websites.
I like comics on my bookshelf too, but usually I just buy bunches of trades and hardcovers.
Thanks for reading! Good luck on your bookmaking, it's a lot of fun.
This is excellent! Thanks.
I always used to bind stuff using the japanese side-stab method. But here's my tip - get yourself a bone folder. They look a little bit like ivory shoe horns, and they're great for getting sharp creases and no greasy fingermarks on soft stock...http://www.bonefolder.com/prod_small_folder.htm
Thanks, That's a good tip, probably beats my kitchen knife. I think we had some of these in school, but someone else always grabbed them up and I usually ended up with the old palet knife.
I think I'm going to experiment with some japanese bindings on a little sketchbook for my next project.
Thanks for the tutorial :) I found it through 'drawn'. I have done bookbinding a couple of times... but always under expert supervision... I always end up losing my confidence when it comes to trying it all by myself :) so maybe this'll help! Thanks a lot.
ps) I first learnt bookbinding in a workshop back at uni and the guy who took the class refused to give us photocopied notes or a written tutorial to take away with us because he is a professional bookbinder and didn't want us running off with his secrets! booo! So your tutorial is extra-appreciated. - Lucy :)
That's crazy. I'm all about "open-source" on the how-to's. I learned the basics for hardcovers in a printmaking course, but instead of instruction we just got a short little handout with three diagrams. Guess that's better than showing, but not sharing.
This is just a simplified version (but expanded) of the stuff from that old handout. There are plenty of cool, but complicated ones in some books I have. Hope to try them sometime, but they are pretty daunting. Just gotta get in there and make a big mess sometimes.
I added you as a friend
Cool, hopefully I can make more posts worth reading. Thanks.
2005-06-07 06:15 am (UTC)
Nice Job ... and My Own Photo Journal
Very nice job. I've documented a couple of my own bookbinding projects here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/olivepress/sets/14697/), though the results were far less professional and my presentation of the process was certainly not up to par with yours either. You've inspired me to blog the how-to behind the pictures, though I can't imagine when I'll find the time.
Anyway, thanks for this. I love seeing how others tackle their own bookbinding projects.
2005-06-08 10:26 am (UTC)
Re: Nice Job ... and My Own Photo Journal
cool pictures! I need to investigate your method for attaching a hardcover, my current one is kind of hit-and-miss (which is one reason I started doing the softcover variation).
So what do you suggest is the best number of sheets for those "signatures"? How many are too much, or too few?
I think the "pro's" do things in sets of eight. This book was two sets of eight sheets which comes out to 32 pages each, so 64 total. My last project was four signatures of eight for 128 pages total. If the paper was really heavy (like a book of intaglios) I guess you could get away with as few as 2 sheets in a signature?
Probably enough to warrant sewing them together, but few enough so that the signatures don't aren't so thick that they fly open on their own.
I haven't even read the entire post yet, but, wow, what a comprehensive lesson on binding! Very kind of you to share the knowledge ...
wow thanks for posting that! I've been wanting to bind my own books for years but thought it would be way to hard to figure out. Your tutorial makes it look so easy I may have to try it myself!
Thanks! You're one crafty fella. ;-)
2005-06-07 01:36 pm (UTC)
omg, i learned this technique YEARS ago and i've been trying to relearn it ever since!!!!!! thank you!!!!!!!!!! you rock!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for that! I design books too. There's actually special adhesive that is of archival quality that I get at the book-binding store. I can't remember what brand it is, though!
I hope it's okay if I add you!
2005-06-08 02:07 am (UTC)
I believe you are refering to "YES" paste. It is archival quality and has a very slow drying time (too slow if you ask me, but still).
All I want to say is .....WOW! but I have to say more because I am very impressed! I can't believe you hand bound every single one of those! Are you like my new hero or what! Ah!
2005-06-08 02:03 am (UTC)
I just wanted to comment on your book binding. It is very informative, I wish I'd had it last halloween.
Last Halloween I was producing a Haunted House and I wanted a "Necronomicon" aka: Book of Dead Names. Well there are ones you can but they are not REALLY the Necronomicon and they are all cheap paperbacks.
I spent two months researching the Necronomicon and bookbinding and finally made my own. It is a leather bound, 8.5x11in page size, 19 signatures at 32 pages per signature or 608 pages.
I finally got it done a week before Halloween.
I'm simply saying this because when I was trying to make my book, it was hard to find information on bookbinding. I think all that try something like this in the future will appreciate the work you've put into this tutorial, and use it to make great codex style books.